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		<title>By: aditi</title>
		<link>http://norunnyeggs.com/2008/03/what-does-subprime-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-34776</link>
		<dc:creator>aditi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice article....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice article&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoebox</title>
		<link>http://norunnyeggs.com/2008/03/what-does-subprime-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-34771</link>
		<dc:creator>Shoebox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Headless,

Absolutely right!  The spread off of LIBOR should have given these at best, a BBB rating when sold.  It&#039;s exactly your point that shows the level of fraud that was perpetrated by the rating agencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headless,</p>
<p>Absolutely right!  The spread off of LIBOR should have given these at best, a BBB rating when sold.  It&#8217;s exactly your point that shows the level of fraud that was perpetrated by the rating agencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless</title>
		<link>http://norunnyeggs.com/2008/03/what-does-subprime-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-34770</link>
		<dc:creator>Headless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the linked article and had a couple other details jump out at me.

&quot;It was a teaser rate in the sense that once resets began, the interest rate would be based on Libor plus a spread of 6.22 percentage points.&quot;

WOW!!!  These were really desparate and REALLY IGNORANT buyers to agree to those terms.

&quot;However, the payment shock would have been greater for a majority of the borrowers, because many loans were 30-year loans to be repaid on a 40-year amortization schedule, while others had an interest-only option for the first five years. In both cases, the unpaid balance was always higher than if the principal was to be repaid over 30 years.&quot; 

These were bubble buyers.  This is the same mentality of &#039;got to get in now because prices can only go up&#039; that led the 1990&#039;s dotcom stock market crash.  They were so desparate to get in that they took on huge risk without understanding what they were doing.  Normally, some grown-up (the bank) will say &quot;No.  You cannot afford to pay this back.&quot;  But the lenders were too greedy to act sensibly.  

I hope they enjoyed their six-figure performance bonuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the linked article and had a couple other details jump out at me.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was a teaser rate in the sense that once resets began, the interest rate would be based on Libor plus a spread of 6.22 percentage points.&#8221;</p>
<p>WOW!!!  These were really desparate and REALLY IGNORANT buyers to agree to those terms.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, the payment shock would have been greater for a majority of the borrowers, because many loans were 30-year loans to be repaid on a 40-year amortization schedule, while others had an interest-only option for the first five years. In both cases, the unpaid balance was always higher than if the principal was to be repaid over 30 years.&#8221; </p>
<p>These were bubble buyers.  This is the same mentality of &#8216;got to get in now because prices can only go up&#8217; that led the 1990&#8242;s dotcom stock market crash.  They were so desparate to get in that they took on huge risk without understanding what they were doing.  Normally, some grown-up (the bank) will say &#8220;No.  You cannot afford to pay this back.&#8221;  But the lenders were too greedy to act sensibly.  </p>
<p>I hope they enjoyed their six-figure performance bonuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoebox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoebox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that you mention it....
Elliot Spitzer was the guy who got the stock &quot;analysts&quot; removed from putting &quot;Strong Buy&quot; recommendations on IPOs that their company was underwriting.  I haven&#039;t heard that Elliot has gotten another day job so maybe he&#039;d take it pro-bono?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that you mention it&#8230;.<br />
Elliot Spitzer was the guy who got the stock &#8220;analysts&#8221; removed from putting &#8220;Strong Buy&#8221; recommendations on IPOs that their company was underwriting.  I haven&#8217;t heard that Elliot has gotten another day job so maybe he&#8217;d take it pro-bono?</p>
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		<title>By: steveegg</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That reminds me of the brokers&#039; stock ratings.  They&#039;ve always seemed at least a grade off, and they were always loathe to put a stock into the &quot;sell&quot; category.

I guess Lake Wobegon made its way to Wall Street, and they&#039;re just beginning to realize that not everything is above average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That reminds me of the brokers&#8217; stock ratings.  They&#8217;ve always seemed at least a grade off, and they were always loathe to put a stock into the &#8220;sell&#8221; category.</p>
<p>I guess Lake Wobegon made its way to Wall Street, and they&#8217;re just beginning to realize that not everything is above average.</p>
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		<title>By: Shoebox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shoebox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was kind of my reaction when I read the study. I think it is very abstract for most folks. 

What really pisses me off is the rating agency giving it AAA.  I&#039;ve worked for a few companies that had subprime commercial debt and I know what that means in terms of spreads and interest rates.  By rating this AAA they were committing outright fraud.  I would think there is a huge class action suit waiting to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was kind of my reaction when I read the study. I think it is very abstract for most folks. </p>
<p>What really pisses me off is the rating agency giving it AAA.  I&#8217;ve worked for a few companies that had subprime commercial debt and I know what that means in terms of spreads and interest rates.  By rating this AAA they were committing outright fraud.  I would think there is a huge class action suit waiting to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: steveegg</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the average Joe&#039;s reaction to the subprime mess would be just a bit different if they knew just how &quot;sub&quot; it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the average Joe&#8217;s reaction to the subprime mess would be just a bit different if they knew just how &#8220;sub&#8221; it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, I had no idea of any of these facts.  These lenders got what they bargained for.  

I&#039;m mad too.  Investors (you &amp; me) had these (insert bad word here)-up mortgages purchased by our mutual funds.  I&#039;m paying a fee to the fund managers to &quot;manage my funds.&quot;  If I want to gamble with my retirement, I&#039;ll visit my friendly neighborhood Indian gaming facility and have fun while I do it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, I had no idea of any of these facts.  These lenders got what they bargained for.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m mad too.  Investors (you &amp; me) had these (insert bad word here)-up mortgages purchased by our mutual funds.  I&#8217;m paying a fee to the fund managers to &#8220;manage my funds.&#8221;  If I want to gamble with my retirement, I&#8217;ll visit my friendly neighborhood Indian gaming facility and have fun while I do it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill-tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subprime == Unqualified borrower.

Look up &quot;ADDI 2003&quot; on the HUD site for an explanation. This brilliant piece of legislation abolished loan qualification, because it was &#039;discriminatory&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subprime == Unqualified borrower.</p>
<p>Look up &#8220;ADDI 2003&#8243; on the HUD site for an explanation. This brilliant piece of legislation abolished loan qualification, because it was &#8216;discriminatory&#8217;.</p>
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